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SDEtv / Heaven 17 on the SDE sofa

The synthpop legends visit SDE for a video interview

Heaven 17‘s Glenn Gregory and Martyn Ware visit SDE HQ and recline on the sofa to discuss in detail their forthcoming anthology Play To Win: The Virgin Years, a 10-disc extravaganza that includes albums, B-sides, remixes, demos and more.

This is part one of a two-part video and runs for 24 minutes. Part two will follow next week!

Update: Watch Part 2 of this interview

Play To Win: The Virgin Years is out on 29 March 2019 as a 10CD set via Edsel. Play To Win: The Virgin Albums, a 6LP coloured vinyl variant, is out on the same day (via Demon Records). CD boxes with the signed print, still available.

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Play to Win: The Virgin Years – 10CD box set

CD 1: PENTHOUSE AND PAVEMENT

Pavement Side

  1. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang
  2. Penthouse And Pavement
  3. Play To Win
  4. Soul Warfare

Penthouse Side

  1. Geisha Boys And Temple Girls
  2. Let’s All Make A Bomb
  3. The Height Of The Fighting
  4. Song With No Name
  5. We’re Going To Live For A Very Long Time

Bonus tracks – A-Sides

  1. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [7” version]
  2. I’m Your Money
  3. Play To Win [7” version]
  4. Penthouse And Pavement [7” version]
  5. The Height Of The Fighting (He-La-Hu)

Bonus tracks – B-Sides

  1. The Decline Of The West [by B.E.F]
  2. B.E.F. Ident [by B.E.F]
  3. Are Everything
  4. Play
  5. Honeymoon In New York [by B.E.F]
  6. He-La-Hu*

CD 2: THE LUXURY GAP

  1. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry
  2. Who’ll Stop The Rain
  3. Let Me Go
  4. Key To The World
  5. Temptation
  6. Come Live With Me
  7. Lady Ice And Mr Hex
  8. We Live So Fast
  9. The Best Kept Secret

Bonus tracks – A-Sides

  1. Let Me Go [US 7” version]
  2. Temptation [7” version]
  3. Come Live With Me [7” version]
  4. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry (Part 1)

Bonus tracks – B-Sides

  1. Let Me Go [instrumental]
  2. Let’s All Make A Bomb [new version]
  3. Song With No Name [new version]
  4. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry (Part 2)

CD 3: HOW MEN ARE

  1. Five Minutes To Midnight
  2. Sunset Now
  3. This Is Mine
  4. The Fuse
  5. Shame Is On The Rocks
  6. The Skin I’m In
  7. Flamedown
  8. Reputation
  9. And That’s No Lie

Bonus tracks – A-Sides

  1. This Is Mine [7” version]
  2. …(And That’s No Lie) [7” version]

Bonus tracks – B-Sides

  1. Counterforcce
  2. Counterforce II
  3. Skin
  4. Mine [instrumental]
  5. The Heaven 17 Megamix 

CD 4: PLEASURE ONE

  1. Contenders
  2. Trouble
  3. Somebody
  4. If I Were You
  5. Low Society
  6. Red
  7. Look At Me
  8. Move Out
  9. Free

Bonus tracks – A-Sides

  1. The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [Version 1]
  2. Contenders [7” version]
  3. Contenders [US 7” edit]
  4. Trouble [7” version]

Bonus tracks – B-Sides

  1. My Sensitivity (Gets In The Way) [featuring Jimmy Ruffin]
  2. The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [Version 2]
  3. The Foolish Thing To Do [featuring Jimmy Ruffin] [instrumental]
  4. Excerpts from ‘Diary Of A Contender’

CD 5: TEDDY BEAR, DUKE & PSYCHO 

  1. Big Square People
  2. Don’t Stop For No One
  3. Snake And Two People
  4. Can You Hear Me?
  5. Hot Blood
  6. The Ballad Of Go Go Brown
  7. Dangerous
  8. I Set You Free
  9. Train Of Love In Motion
  10. Responsibility
  11. The Last Seven Days
  12. The Foolish Thing To Do

Bonus tracks – A-Sides

  1. The Ballad Of Go Go Brown [version]
  2. Train Of Love In Motion [7” version]

Bonus tracks – B-Sides

  1. Slow All Over
  2. Work
  3. Giving Up

CD 6 : DEMONSTRATION DISC: THE LOST DEMOS 1980

  1. Penthouse And Pavement [original demo]
  2. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [original demo]
  3. Play To Win [original demo instrumental]
  4. Soul Warfare [original demo]
  5. Are Everything [original demo]
  6. BEF Ident [alternate version]
  7. Decline Of The West [alternate version]
  8. Rise Of The East [alternate version]
  9. Music To Kill Your Parents By [alternate version]
  10. Uptown Apocalypse [alternate version]
  11. A Baby Called Billy [alternate version]
  12. Rhythmic Experiment 1
  13. Rhythmic Experiment 2
  14. Boys Of Buddha Experiment
  15. At The Height Of The Fighting [original rhythm track]
  16. Rhythmic Loop Experiment
  17. Funky Experiment
  18. Song Experiment
  19. Heavy Drum Experiment
  20. Play To Win [original demo with vocals]

Bonus tracks

  1. Groove Thang
  2. Temptation [original demo]

CD 7: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #1

  1. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [12” version]
  2. I’m Your Money [12” version]
  3. Play To Win [12” version]
  4. Penthouse And Pavement [12” version]
  5. Let Me Go [12” version]
  6. Temptation [12” version]
  7. Who’ll Stop The Rain [12” version]
  8. Come Live With Me [12” version]
  9. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [Parts I & II – uninterrupted single version]
  10. Sunset Now [extended version]
  11. This Is Mine [extended version]
  12. …(And That’s No Lie) [remixed to enhance its danceability]

CD 8: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #2

  1. Penthouse And Pavement [Remix]
  2. Let Me Go [Endless Version]
  3. Play To Win [Endless Version]
  4. Contenders [Dance Version]
  5. Contenders [Go Go Version]
  6. (Big) Trouble
  7. The Ballad Of Go-Go Brown [Extended Version]
  8. Train Of Love In Motion [The Mainline Mix]
  9. Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm Remix]
  10. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Rapino Club Mix]
  11. Penthouse And Pavement [Tommy D’s Master Remix]
  12. Let Me Go [“Hon, Its Flawless” Mix]

CD 9: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY #3

  1. Play [12” version]
  2. Penthouse And Pavement [instrumental 7” version]
  3. Penthouse And Pavement [instrumental 12” version]
  4. Who’ll Stop The Rain [US dub version]
  5. We Live So Fast [12” version]
  6. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [dub version]
  7. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry [The Extended Dance Version]
  8. This Is Mine [Filmix]
  9. This Is Mine [Cinemix]
  10. Contenders [US Club Mix]
  11. Trouble [US Club Mix]

CD10: SPECIAL FORTIFIED DANCE MIXES TO ENHANCE DANCEABILITY#4

  1. Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm Remix Edit]
  2. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Rapino Edit]
  3. Penthouse And Pavement [Tommy D’s Master Edit]
  4. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Edit]
  5. Let Me Go [I Trance Alone Mix]
  6. Temptation [Brothers In Rhythm instrumental]
  7. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Rapino]
  8. Penthouse And Pavement [Mr Big Buckles And His Amazing Ride]
  9. Temptation [7″ backing track]
  10. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang [Democratic Instrumental]
  11. Penthouse And Pavement [Original Vibe Mix]
  12. Let Me Go [Let Me House You]
  13. Penthouse And Pavement [D’s Super Disco Dub Mix]
  14. Temptation [Orchestral Theme From Temptation]

Play to Win: The Virgin Albums 5LP coloured vinyl box

Penthouse and Pavement

Pavement Side

  1. (We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang
  2. Penthouse And Pavement
  3. Play To Win
  4. Soul Warfare

Penthouse Side

  1. Geisha Boys And Temple Girls
  2. Let’s All Make A Bomb
  3. The Height Of The Fighting
  4. Song With No Name
  5. We’re Going To Live For A Very Long Time

The Luxury Gap

Side One

  1. Crushed By The Wheels Of Industry
  2. Who’ll Stop The Rain
  3. Let Me Go
  4. Key To The World

Side Two

  1. Temptation
  2. Come Live With Me
  3. Lady Ice And Mr Hex
  4. We Live So Fast
  5. The Best Kept Secret

How Men Are

Side One

  1. Five Minutes To Midnight
  2. Sunset Now
  3. This Is Mine
  4. The Fuse
  5. Shame Is On The Rocks

Side Two

  1. The Skin I’m In
  2. Flamedown
  3. Reputation
  4. And That’s No Lie

Pleasure One

Side One

  1. Contenders
  2. Trouble
  3. Somebody
  4. If I Were You
  5. Low Society

Side Two

  1. Red
  2. Look At Me
  3. Move Out
  4. Free

Teddy Bear, Duke & Psycho

Side One

  1. Big Square People
  2. Don’t Stop For No One
  3. Snake And Two People
  4. Can You Hear Me?
  5. Hot Blood

Side Two

  1. The Ballad Of Go Go Brown
  2. Dangerous
  3. I Set You Free
  4. Train Of Love In Motion
  5. Responsibility
  6. The Last Seven Days
  7. The Foolish Thing To Do

38 responses to SDEtv / Heaven 17 on the SDE sofa

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  3. Neil says:

    What’s happened to part two of the video Paul ?

  4. Thorsten says:

    Derek, the box is now available for preorder WITHOUT the signed print. Now we know there are 2 versions of the box. I thought it would be only the 1000.

  5. Derek Langsford says:

    Have collected H17 material since the beginning so was happy to hear the guys reminisce about the early days. The boxed set is now unavailable for pre-order from Amazon UK. Glad I got my order in as soon as it was announced. I look forward to Part 2.

    Nice to see a CD boxed set as part of this release as it seems like labels are focusing on vinyl.

  6. Fady says:

    Thanks for that Paul. I really enjoyed that interview and looking forward to part 2. Both Gregory and Ware seem like proper decent blokes who were making music for the love of art and not necessarily money. Their disappointment with the circumstances of the breakup of The Human League Part 1 is obvious, but to their credit they don’t come across bitter or antagonistic towards Phil Oakley.

    I still remember the first time I heard Contenders cracking out of my uncle’s Yamaha stereo system and thought how absolutely brilliantly futuristic it sounded. I got another taste of H17 from a Virgin compilation that included a mega-mix which I quite enjoyed. However, it wasn’t until much later when I started delving into their back catalogue (in particular Penthouse & Pavement and Luxury Gap) that I fully appreciated how good Heaven 17 were. The production values were such that the music sounds fresh today.

    • Fady says:

      “Oakley”? Oh dear, not sure how I mistook Phil for a sunglass company. Anyway, I’d never really thought about it before but it’s really interesting how much Gregory sounds like Oakey with that deep, baritone like voice. It’s almost like H17 were trying to replicate their old vocalist in a similar way that Andy Bell sounded so much like Vince Clarke’s previous bandmate, Alison Moyet.

  7. Trash says:

    Finally found the time to watch this.
    Really interesting – they are genuinely lovely guys.

    I’ve always been slightly confused by the Penthouse vs Pavement concept (and it sounds like they are a bit too :-). I have always thought that the funk tracks (side 1) sound more Penthouse and the electronic tracks sound more Pavement (and they allude to that in the interview) however that reality on the album is the reverse.

    Very pleased hat they identify Let Me Go as their fave track – it has always been my favourite H17 track (I’ve never been big fan of Temptation).

    By the way – I really like the way you have put the video together – just hearing their responses works really well. Nice work Paul.

    Looking forward to Part II and really looking forward to the release now.

  8. David Veitch says:

    How fitting the 12-in single of I’m Your Money hides the Rolling Stones boxset behind it. I remember in 1981, Penthouse and Pavement sounded so modern and exciting that I thought it made the Stones sound ancient and irrelevant.

  9. Neil O says:

    Excellent. Really enjoyed the interview. Very open and honest. Looking forward to part 2.

  10. adam shaw says:

    looking forward to next week

  11. elliott buckingham says:

    I don’t think there is anybody more down to earth than glenn Gregory. not a huge h17 fan but do have all the 80s output in 1 form or another. id have been very happy with a reissue of the amazing pleasure one

  12. David M says:

    Presume SDE HQ is a massive skyscraper somewhere in the Canary Wharf area of London?

  13. Schu says:

    It’s always great to get the artist perspective on when the music was made and what went in to producing the SDE. Looking forward to part 2.

  14. negative1 says:

    thanks paul,
    great interview. looking forward to the next part.

    later
    -1

  15. CJ Feeney says:

    Point of Order!

    This page is tagged with “heaven17” All other pages related to the group are tagged as “Heaven 17” so clicking on the tag on this page only brings up a link to this page.

  16. Jan says:

    Great interview, looking forward to the next one.

    I’ve been listening to the B.E.F. produced Hot Gossip album recently, it’s great.

  17. Chris Squires says:

    I know it is probably more to do with my age and when these things happened historically. But I really believe that albums were much better when a group / artist only had to fill 40 minutes and nobody complained. The filling of CDs with second rate tracks. Just 4 tracks a side at somewhere around 18 to 20 minutes can make for a brilliant album. And these guys made a couple of brilliant albums with 4 tracks on a side.
    36 to 40 minutes gets the “I’m not paying £10 for 8 tracks and 36 minutes”
    Really looking forward to this boxset…..

    • Trash says:

      Totally agree.
      Limiting the artist to 40 minutes really helped the quality control.
      The advent of 60mins of CD seemed to make artists feel that they had to fill up the space available which in turn meant lesser-quality tracks were used to pad out the space.

      Of course ‘imho’…

  18. Topcheeseman says:

    Thanks Paul – thoroughly enjoyed this and can’t wait for PT 2 as ‘How Men Are’ is probably my favourite of heir albums. They came across as genuine down to earth chaps!

  19. Willy says:

    That was brilliant, Paul, thank you. Did not want that to end… looking forward to next week’s second half.

    These things should be included officially on a DVD within a future SDE.

  20. DonnieBiscuits says:

    Really interesting to hear them reminiscing on their vision; very smart young men. I hope they can revisit B.E.F. one day, either with new material or reissues of the back catalogue. I picked up Music of Quality and Distinction Vol 1 on vinyl a few months ago; best track a barnstorming version of ‘You Keep Me Hangin’ On’ by Bernie Nolan…..maybe.

    • Neil says:

      As mentioned on the other thread B.E.F have already reissued their back catalogue with the 1981-2011 box set released in 2011. I’m surprised they kept a certain person on Volume One though.

      • Robert says:

        Why rewrite history? This certain Person was part of the Project, and I don’t see the Point in erasing this Person. When the song was recorded this Person hadn’t been charged yet.

  21. James Dougan says:

    Great and interesting interview.
    Heaven 17 are one of my favourite bands and I am really looking forward to the box set and the second part of the interview.

  22. Foxee says:

    Great interview, great guys.

    I think Heaven 17 are a fantastic band, and certainly their first three albums are of classic status. However, I have to be frank and say that I think the FIVE LP vinyl offering is dreadful and at that price I think Demon have made a massive mistake in not including a couple of extra LPs of rarities and remixes. Coloured vinyl only is no draw. As a H17 fan and a vinyl collector I feel ripped off and certainly will not be purchasing that set.

  23. Martin York says:

    Fab interview – thanks Paul. Looking forward to the next installment

  24. Robert Laversuch says:

    Very nice – cannot wait for release. Not wanting to be petty just to avoid future confusion it says the Vinyl is 6 LPs but in the link it says 5.

  25. John Orr says:

    Fantastic interview, look forward to part 2.

  26. Chris says:

    Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it, can’t wait for part 2.

    Also decided to order the box set…I love the first two albums…but didn’t get into the third and it’ll be interesting to hear the others as I missed them at the time of release.

  27. Rickjapan says:

    Great watching! I even managed to find it on YouTube before this had even gone up on this site lol
    Loved watching it, looking forward to part two, and the the ultimate mystery of what happened to Ian Craig-Marsh which Paul mentioned in another thread

    Guys, please come to Japan! Would love to duet with Glenn….

    I really think this group is underappreciated for what they accomplished after the initial fame, there is so much good stuff in their catalogue!

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