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SDEtv: Decca mecca mess of Tori Amos Native Invader packaging

The packaging and presentation of Tori Amos‘ new album Native Invader doesn’t get the basics right and the so-called deluxe edition is a lazy effort, argues SDE Editor, Paul Sinclair, in this video analysis…

Native Invader is out now. Tori’s Native Invader world tour hits the UK in October.

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Reindeer King
Wings
Broken Arrow
Cloud Riders
Up The Creek
Breakaway
Wildwood
Chocolate Song
Bang
Climb
Bats
Benjamin
Mary’s Eyes

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Upside Down 2
Russia

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48 responses to SDEtv: Decca mecca mess of Tori Amos Native Invader packaging

  1. Auntie Sabrina says:

    Very interesting, maybe that CD TEXT thing from yesteryear was a good idea after all. Of the 3 copies, the (Peres?) copy you got looks rather nice packaging wise…

  2. Gary C says:

    When is a deluxe edition just a CD in a different package, in this instance a cardboard sleeve and 2 extra tracks…Is their a minimum quantity of extra tracks that turns something into a deluxe?

  3. Dr. Sheehee says:

    Artists have gotten so lazy these days, I just got my copies of Boomania and grrrr its Betty Boo deluxe editions – actually surprised at the effort that went into these releases – great inner booklets to compliment the cds, this for an artist of less caliber – Tori though, lately her music has become dull and repetitive, so not at all surprised!!

    • Michael says:

      Have to agree. A real diappointment. I didn’t hear one track on this new one I haven’t heard her do before…and much better.

  4. Dan says:

    I was looking at the track list the other day and trying to work it out, so I agree, but didn’t think too much of it as this is being hailed her best album since Scarlet’s Walk.

    • CJ says:

      I haven’t understood those comparisons. I’ve been a fan since Little Earthquakes, and there have been ups and downs (I almost got off the train during the Deutsch Gramophone years), and it has been nice to see her returning to a rock/pop sound with Unrepentant Geraldines and Native Invader, but there’s a spark missing from both of them that used to be there with some of her older work. I remember, at the time, Scarlet’s Walk getting some flack for being too “safe” compared to much of the work that had come before it (a complain that doubled with The Beekeeper), and Native Invader, to me at least, makes Scarlet’s Walk feel far more daring and cutting edge by comparison. I keep trying to find my way into this album, but I’m having trouble doing it, and it makes me really sad, because Tori was one of the centers of my musical life for more than two decades.

  5. Barrie Sillars says:

    Interesting video and reflects some of my frustrations with CD packaging. I know I am getting on in years, but I am increasingly finding the size of print seems to be getting smaller and the contrast between text and background colours, makes the whole thing so hard to read! I wonder if the vinyl edition is more suitably laid out. Also wonder if the record compny don’t consider CD as particularly worth thinking about too much, as download is how they consider people listen to albums now.

  6. Eamonn says:

    Best rhyming pun bar none!

  7. Neal says:

    Ok so apparently Tori said that the lyrics in the booklet aren’t in order because she had to send in the artwork for the packaging before the track list was finalised. I suppose thats why on the back covers they are arranged like that – and maybe she hadn’t finalised the bonus tracks either thats why they don’t appear on the back of the deluxe. It was a similar situation for her last album Unrepentent Geraldines…

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      In other words Decca should have delayed the release, but didn’t.

      • Patrick M. Hnidka says:

        That’s the problem with artists tinkering with their releases until the “release” (i.e., digital) day!

        It sucks for all of us that still care about physical products, which are now more-or-less an afterthought :(

    • Michael says:

      Yeah, and the problem is still that even if you wanted to experiment yourself listening to the album in the track order as listed in the booklet, you can’t do it (at least until you’d know the songs by heart), because there’s no final track listing anywhere other than on the CD, itself! Bad form. And no bonus lyric or other material about the bonus tracks is also a faux pas. (Is there even any sticker indicating exclusive tracks on the outer packaging?)

  8. gwynogue says:

    Paul S and Barrie S – I agree, agree, agree, agree, agree!

    Bjork’s “Medulla” was a perfect example: impossible to read – there was no map…and a compass didn’t help at all… ;)

    At least the Tori lyrics look like they fill out the page – I hate it when designers try to be ‘arty’ and squash a block of tiny text in a corner but the rest of the page is left blank.

    My eyesight has always been a bit dodgy, but lately I find myself using my phone to take pictures of the back covers/inserts and lyrics pages, then enlarging them to read the text.

    My world is changing and I don’t like it! :)

  9. Tim-meh says:

    You think this is lazy… have you seen the recent UNKLE The Road ‘deluxe edition’? That one takes the ****.

  10. David L says:

    Entirely personal view of course but I do hate that font on the front cover, and using a lower case t and upper case A is the ultimate faux pas in my pedantic book. Consistently inconsistent use of upper and lower case would be less offensive. I do however think the music is some of her best in recent years.

  11. Robert Laversuch says:

    Got the signed copy still in the post and will buy the deluxe for those xtra songs but shame that so little work was put into making this a better effort but thanks for unboxing info. Changing world and not happy either

  12. Catweazle says:

    My signed copy has been in the mail for exactly two weeks now. I am going to see Tori next week and would love to be at least a little familiar with the new stuff. Have been considering buying the deluxe edition but your comments don’t make it easier for me to decide …

  13. Don says:

    This happens more and more. Best Buy’s exclusive version of Duran Duran’s “All You Need Is Now” had two extra songs listed on an outer slipcase, but not on the digipak or in the booklet, etc.

    Meanwhile the “deluxe” version of Annie Lennox’s “Christmas Cornucopia” was just a red digipak compared to the standard version in a jewel case with blue cover. No extra tracks, nothing.

  14. Angelo says:

    Very reasonable points.

    But I wonder: Is there a “casual” Tori fan in this world? haha Her fanbase is so rabid that they know the tracklist by heart the moment it is posted on her website weeks before the release date.

    Her sound, songwriting and song titles are so unique that you KNOW right away which song is being played and can easily tell them apart from the first listening on. :)

  15. Darren says:

    Just received my signed copy, totally agree with video review. Really lazy release, I love to read the booklet whilst listening along. If song words and credits get any smaller it will be pointless printing them! That’s from someone who doesn’t wear glasses.

  16. stephane says:

    the lyrics for the two bonus tracks are included in the tourbook which is sold at the concerts ;)

  17. Tripp says:

    I kind of like the lack of track list on the packaging. It forced me to pay really careful attention to the album and find the songs in the book. Also, she has a history of the track list and lyrics being out of order (Choirgirl). I totally hear what you’re saying though. We have certainly come to expect more over the years. But, I prefer two fairly good bonus tracks over a few extra booklet pages or a crappy dvd (Night of Hunters).

  18. R.naud says:

    Is there a vinyl release? Maybe they won’t botch that one? ;)

  19. Dean says:

    The track listing thing, along with the booklet, is nothing new. For example, Bowie’s “Reality” album did the same thing (track listing did not match booklet). It is annoying, but not worth making a fuss about, imo.

    A better argument is regarding the Deluxe Edition. Putting it into book form isn’t a huge benefit – one could argue it’s a bad idea given it makes the booklet more difficult to enjoy. Although to be fair, I really liked the book format for the five Brian Eno titles that got the same treatment (until they screwed it up by making The Ship’s book edition a slightly different size!). But – to print the DE on matt paper, and the Jewelcase on glossy, is a major fail. As you say, Paul, it spoils the artwork.

    All, of course, adding two extra tracks is just ridiculous. You’re buying the album, so give me everything you’re willing to give. If you want a DE that makes me pay more, give me something more than two tracks you’ve clearly just lopped off the JC edition.

  20. Shane says:

    Oh my dear this is the worst idea ever. When I got that “deluxe” I wondered what order they were in, horizontal left to right with top first, then saw it wasn’t. I gave up quickly and wondered how discogs and wiki got them right. Tori has become as boring as Annie Lennox and it makes me wonder if she didn’t do this on purpose to generate some buzz cause the music wasn’t going to achieve that.

  21. Tony Orwell says:

    The lack of customer focus on some of these editions is becoming an issue. If they continue to ignore what is obviously required by the fans, the fans will lose interest. The commercial awareness or lack of it is staggering to me.

  22. Simon says:

    Talking about Tori’s packaging and digital presentation, the last 3 deluxe editions remasters (Little Earthquakes, Under The Pink and Boys For Pele) didn’t even had digital booklets included (or available anywhere for that matter). The quality of the physical booklets weren’t that great either (didn’t look like they had the originals to work with, colors were a bit off and washed out).

    Also on this one, you have to buy the deluxe to get the digital booklet, even though the 2 extra tracks aren’t even included in the booklet. It isn’t included with the regular edition. Weird. And cheap.

    But my biggest pet peeve with Tori releases (or anyone else) had to do with the extra-deluxe-depends-on-the-territory-or-where-you-buy-the-damn-thing tracks. I mean, I am all for paying extra charge for extra tracks but gives us a few options other than iTunes only as low-fi 256 mp3 el’cheapo quality! Give us a FLAC (or WAV) option somewhere easily available damn it!!!

    Her last record, Unrepentant Geraldines, had 3 extra tracks and 2 of those (White Telephone To God and Dixie) were unavailable anywhere in FLAC. I couldn’t even buy Dixie on Amazon because I am not in the USA. And then artists and record companies complain about piracy and streaming…

    Make the damn thing available and we will buy it! Enough already with the iTunes exclusive on the lowest possible quality. That’s why I love buying on bandcamp where FLAC has to be an option.

    There. I feel better.

    All that said, Native Invader is a great record. I haven’t had a Tori album on repeat like that in some time.

    • Mad Earwig says:

      I agree about Bandcamp (which is the best source for Buckethead albums, inexpensive and in flac)

      If you value the quality though, why not just buy the CD and rip to Flac?

      MP3 is really only acceptable in cars or on portable devices and headphones.

      • Simon says:

        Oh I do buy the CDs already. I thought It was implied. But I am the kind of crazy fan (like lots a different artist fans visiting this website I suppose) who want everything available. And I am talking music here, not so much different editions. I am sure there are even crazier fans than I who really want every different editions worldwide, etc. I just want the music. In good quality.

        So I do buy the CDs (always had) and now buy the digital download as well when It is available in 24bit or If there is a digital booklet available because It looks better and professional and its less trouble to buy than scan everything myself (which I usually do). Then listen in FLAC while looking at the booklet in the iPad.

        In the beginning Tori had CD singles with the “bonus” tracks so It was easy to buy and rip to FLAC. Nowadays CD singles are dead and the bonus tracks are usually part of the deluxe edition. But with her last few records, the bonus are either iTunes only or Amazon only and both are mp3 quality (256-320 crap). Both “Gold Dust” and “Unrepentant Geraldines” had 2 bonus tracks available, one of each iTunes only and the other Amazon only… for the same record!!! I mean come on here… At least, “Gold Dust” has a SHM-CD japanese edition with the 2 bonus on It so I could rip it to FLAC. Not so much with “Unrepentant Geraldines”…

        When I was younger I liked searching for all that, I felt special, I was a real fan, I was such a snob, I was part of the club, bla, bla, bla… Now that I am an old fart, I don’t care that much anymore about all this, I can see the marketing $$$ behind all of It and It kind of pisses me off. All I want is the music because I do still care about that. And I am willing (still) to pay for the whole thing but all that rubbish makes It really difficult.

        Tori is not exactly Star Wars. The Star Wars franchise is a milk cow that will never end with millions of crazy fans out there willing to pay ad nauseum. I know Tori has a bit of a cult following but I am not quite sure she gets fresh new fans every year the way Star Wars does…

        So why not treat us with respect and give us what we want? What’s the point of a deluxe edition or a remaster if its to botch it up in the end? And after her Atlantic Records difficulties years ago, I am pretty sure she is hands on with her stuff now and Its not just the labels fault.

        Someone wrote here it was slightly pedantic to react this way about packaging… and he is not wrong. But, this is “superdeluxeedition.com” here and not the casual listener. It’s for the crazy fans and our sense of entitlement!

        :-)

  23. Larry Davis says:

    Hmmm…all this talk on Tori’s new album Deluxe Edition got me thinking and it brought something to mind something not many people know about…there was a megarare, mega limited edition of Finnish band HIM’s 2007 release “Venus Doom”. It was packaged as a journal with lots of cool artwork…it had the 9 songs’ lyrics in Gothic script among the pages as well, but no song titles listed anywhere in the journal nor on the CD itself… There were 3 photos in an envelope and a bonus 3 song CD with THOSE titles on that CD, but not the main CD…the only way to get the “Venus Doom” tracklist is from the regular and regular deluxe editions and putting the CD in your computer in iTunes…just odd…cool looking journal yes, killer album yes, but frustrating at the same time…i wrote the titles down on a post-it note and put it inside…

  24. ashleyplath says:

    Quite right, Paul. Well done!

  25. Stephen Wood says:

    Totally agree with the comments on the booklet printing. I had to go online for the lyrics, as the booklet ones were unreadable.

    @Catweazle, get the DE, as the two bonus tracks are excellent.

  26. Kristian says:

    While I totally agree with his annoyance over the standard edition, watching him flip the book and case around reminded me of Nigel in Spinal Tap complaining about the little bread at the catering table

  27. DavidDR says:

    I’m more of a cynic and think they the two packages are identical to save cash. No need to have a back cover with additional two song names. No need to alter the inside booklet. It’s just being cheap. I’m with you on finding that disappointing.

  28. RJS says:

    Come on, if someone is that fussed about the tracklist they can easily look it up online!

  29. Johnny Cakes says:

    My Deluxe Edition came with a front clear-sticker that reads: “New Album Deluxe Version Includes Cloud Riders & Up The Creek Plus Bonus Tracks Russia & Upside Down 2.” I think this conversation about the packaging is slightly pedantic as the actual music remains the most important thing. The world will still keep turning and more importantly: does bad packaging truly dictate that any great album is less-listenable?

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      How about good packaging and good music?

      • CJ says:

        I’ll second having both good music and packaging. Packaging is more important than the labels seem to think. Those of us who still cling to physical media are still a decent cash cow for them–and this is why they will make all these reissues and deluxe packages in the first place. But if the package is substandard, then why am I paying a premium for it? I could save money and just move to downloads, and for many people, there is a very, very short and slippery slope between “going downloads” and just pirating tracks or only getting the songs they want. Why bother with albums at all then? Might as well just stream or bootleg.

        And then there’s no market left to sell to, and they are making a fraction of what they were getting from selling physical product. It would be better to put some effort and respect into developing the physical releases rather than speeding along toward doom.

        Hell, I still think the labels started putting nails in their coffin when they stopped issuing singles. Suddenly music started seeing much less collectible. It was just a product. The excitement dissipates. People look elsewhere. Remember when he consumer high of a new album was stretched out by a year’s worth of b-sides and remixes? We don’t get that now. It’s all loaded in up front, and rather badly at that.

  30. Nick says:

    I totally agree with you Paul – on another note I cannot believe PledgeMusic Prices for Signed Items from Tori Amos

    Deluxe Signed Piano Key Vinyl Bundle – You get…. a Piano Key Signed… Vinly LP Signed, Tour Programme Not Signed and Turntable Slip Mat – Grand Total $375 / £275.00

    Or you can get the CD Bundle instead of Vinyl for $350 / £259…..

    You can still get a signed tour programme for $90 / £67 yes $90 / £67

    Or you can get a Non Signed Tour Programme and non signed Double Vinyl for $50 / £37……

    How can they justify these insane prices? Needless to say loads of totally overpriced signed items still for sale ! Unsold….

    Absolutely Ridiculouys !

  31. steve says:

    All excellent points, Paul and I agree with you 100%. For the money, the fans deserved a lot better. Is it worth complaining to Tori’s record label or official web site about it all ?

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