Tears For Fears / “The Hurting” four-disc box set: exclusive details

Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

The Hurting 3CD+DVD box set will be limited

Universal Music will release a deluxe reissue of Tears For Fears‘ 1983 debut album The Hurting on 21 October 2013.

Since the band asked fans to ‘get ready’ for a big year back in March – on the very day The Hurting celebrated its 30th birthday – it has been widely expected that the record would be reissued. What perhaps wasn’t anticipated was the scale of the celebrations.

Boxing clever

The Hurting will not only be issued as a two-CD deluxe edition (which includes a 16-track bonus disc of remixes, B-sides and alternate versions), it will also be offered as a limited edition four-disc box set, adding a third CD of previously unreleased live sessions and a DVD of the 1984 concert film In My Mind’s Eye, in which the band perform The Hurting live at the Hammersmith Odeon (almost in its entirety).

Each of the four discs will be packaged in individual gatefold wallets and the box will also contain a replica of the Tears For Fears’ 1983 tour programme and a 34-page hardback book detailing the making of the album with rare and previously unseen photos.

Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

One of the rare images included in the hardback book

SuperDeluxeEdition lends a hand

We are proud to inform our readers that SuperDeluxeEdition editor Paul Sinclair was invited to contribute to this set, and not only helped compile the track listing but also interviewed Roland and Curt for the sleeve notes within the hardback book. As a result, we have the inside track on this release, and will happily try to answer any questions you may have around The Hurting reissue.

One thing’s for sure, whether you opt for the two-disc deluxe edition or the box set, you will be treated to a wealth of remastered material, with many bonus tracks released on CD for the first time.

The early single version of Pale Shelter (You Don’t Give Me Love) is included in seven and twelve-inch variants, while debut 45 Suffer The Children makes four appearances on the bonus disc, including the instrumental version and the original twelve-inch remix. The so-called ‘new version’ of fourth single Change (originally appended to the UK cassette of The Hurting) gets its CD debut, as does the early B-side takes on album tracks Ideas As Opiates and The Prisoner. The first Tears For Fears B-side, the quirky Wino, is present and correct having been omitted from 1996’s Saturnine Martial & Lunatic flip-side compilation.

The autumn 1982 live radio sessions with David ‘kid’ Jensen and John Peel are commercially released for the first time. These eight tracks (four for each session) can be found on CD 3 within the box set. Change and Start Of The Breakdown – live from Oxford – complete this disc (both originally issued on the limited edition seven-inch double-pack of non-album single The Way You Are).

The In My Mind’s Eye – Live At Hammersmith Odeon concert film is issued on DVD for the very first time, especially for this box set. Watch Me Bleed is the only track from The Hurting not performed and the band also try out a few tracks from second album Songs From The Big Chair such as Mothers Talk and The Working Hour.

3CD+DVD Box Set

2CD Deluxe Edition

The Hurting reissue / Full track listings:

Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

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Disc 1 – The Hurting

  1. The Hurting
  2. Mad World
  3. Pale Shelter (You Don’t Give Me Love)
  4. Ideas As Opiates
  5. Memories Fade
  6. Suffer The Children
  7. Watch Me Bleed
  8. Change
  9. The Prisoner
  10. Start Of The Breakdown
Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

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Disc 2 – B-sides and Remixes

  1. Suffer The Children (7″ Version)
  2. Pale Shelter (You Don’t Give Me Love)
  3. The Prisoner (B-side)
  4. Ideas As Opiates (B-side)
  5. Change (New Version)
  6. Suffer The Children (Remix)
  7. Pale Shelter (You Don’t Give Me Love) (Extended Version)
  8. Mad World (World Remix)
  9. Change (Extended Version)
  10. Pale Shelter (Extended Version)
  11. Suffer The Children (Instrumental)
  12. Change (7″ Edit)
  13. Wino (B-Side)
  14. The Conflict (B-Side)
  15. We Are Broken (B-Side)
  16. Suffer The Children (Promo CD Version)
Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

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Disc 3 – Live Sessions (Box Set Only)

Peel Session 01.09.1982

  • 1. Ideas As Opiates
  • 2. Suffer The Children
  • 3. The Prisoner
  • 4. The Hurting

Jensen Session 20.10.1982

  • 5. Memories Fade
  • 6. The Prisoner
  • 7. The Start Of The Breakdown
  • 8. The Hurting

From ‘The Way You Are’ single

  • 9. Start Of The Breakdown (Live)
  • 10. Change (Live)
Tears For Fears / The Hurting reissue: 4-disc box set

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Disc 4 – DVD – In My Mind’s Eye – Live At Hammersmith Odeon (Box Set Only)

  1. Start Of The Breakdown
  2. Mothers Talk
  3. Pale Shelter
  4. The Working Hour
  5. The Prisoner
  6. Ideas As Opiates
  7. Mad World
  8. We Are Broken
  9. Head Over Heels
  10. Suffer The Children
  11. The Hurting
  12. Memories Fade
  13. Change

146 responses to Tears For Fears / “The Hurting” four-disc box set: exclusive details

  1. Ian Moore says:

    Hi Paul, do you see any chance for a reprint of this first TFF box set now that Seeds Of Love is finally being released?

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  5. Dana says:

    First off, great work. I’m sure this was a serious undertaking, so my few comments are just geeky questions and in no way detract from what is otherwise a great box set:

    1. I may have missed above, but is “Ideas As Opiates” (Single Version) (Disc 2, Track 4) actually the single b-side version, or is it simply the album version with 11 extra seconds tacked on? If my aging ears aren’t failing me, it is the same song, and the b-side version of “Ideas As Opiates” is actually missing.

    2. I expect you have nothing to do with the proof reading, but if we are forking out US $80, I’d love it if they were consistent on spelling (David Jensen vs. David Jenson) and also, especially, with song titles. To completists (aka dorks like me) it does make a difference if it is the demo version or the promo CD version.

    Again, LOVE the box set, and appreciate all the hard work. Just wish they would be as anal as the folks purchasing it, since we are the target audience.

    Thanks again

  6. Doug says:

    I hate to be the first quibbler, but having just received this (lovely, well-put-together) set I do have a question: is it my imagination, or is track 15 on CD 2, credited as “We Are Broken” [4.03], actually the “Broken (Revisited)” [5.17] remix included on later cassette pressings of _Songs From the Big Chair_?

    Now some positive comments to put this into perspective: I’m thrilled to finally get “Wino” and the single version of “Ideas as Opiates” and “Change [new version]” on CD. The art, booklet, and programme replica are of excellent quality and I’m really pleased with the liner notes.

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  9. Julian says:

    Hey Paul! This is a great edition, really. Finally TFF get the attention and recognition they deserve, and how many bands can say that they’ve created such a classic with their first album?

    Three questions for you:
    – Can you tell us whether the lyrics will be included (also for the bonus tracks)?
    – And what happened to the leftovers from the “In my Mind’s Eye” concert? “The Way You Are” and “The Marauders” were played at the gig but not included on the original VHS!
    – Do we get all the credits, and do they make sense? I haven’t yet understood what “Jazz High, Dynamic Toggle” is supposed to mean…

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  17. Stephen says:

    What determines whether this gets a U.S. release?

  18. Rob Kirby says:

    Back to The Hurting, it’s worth pointing out that the old Mercury/Universal CD “The Working Hour – An Introduction to Tears for Fears” contains full length, unsegued album versions of both Pale Shelter and Memories Fade. The latter is particularly nice to have as a full recording.

  19. Gerald says:

    Amazing news and we need a songs from the big chair same treatment edition ;)

  20. Mike says:

    I agree with paul, not sure i see the point in a reissue of seeds of love the, its not rare and neither are the b sides, better off with another take on ‘songs’ with the four missing mixes.

  21. Marko says:

    I hope that in the future ‘Elemental’ will be released in deluxe edition. That album also have some solid bonus tracks like Bloodletting Go, Deja-Vu and the Sins of Science, New Star, Schrodinger’s Cat…Maybe they dig some extended version of ‘The Working Hour’ on the future release for SFTBC. That kind of song deserves extended version. 6 minutes & 31 seconds is not enough for me. Cherry Pop done a really great job with ‘Raoul’ and another deluxe edition it would be pointless.

  22. Marko says:

    This is not my thought, there is thought of someone else who is obviously a big fan of TFF (from another site). This is his track list for deluxe editions of “The Seeds Of Love”:

    1. Sowing the Seeds of Love (7″ version)
    2. Woman in Chains (7″ version)
    3. Famous Last Words (Single Edit or French Radio Edit)[these first three tracks wouldn’t be essential as they’re just radio edits]
    4. Advice for the Young at Heart (Single Mix)
    5. Tears Roll Down
    6. My Life in the Suicide Ranks
    7. Always in the Past
    8. Woman in Chains (Instrumental)
    9. Ghost Papa
    10. Woman in Chains (Jakkatta Awakened Mix)
    11. Music for Tables
    12. Johnny Panic and the Bible of Dreams
    13. Johnny Panic (Instrumental)
    14. Year of the Knife (Canadian Single Remix)
    15. Johnny Panic (Shock Mix)
    16. Johnny Panic (Unstable Mix)
    17. The Body Wah (from the Best of era)
    18. Lord of Karma (from the Best of era)
    19. Laid So Low (Tears Roll Down) (Best of)

    I think that is the great track list, but obviously missing part in this deluxe edition probably will be conncert, because California concert is already released on DVD.

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Interesting…. Not sure I’d include any after-the-event remixes such as “Jakkatta Awakened Mix” of Woman In Chains. My Life In The Suicide Ranks (“not produced”) and Always in the Past are really great. Ghost Papa, not so good…

      • Rob Kirby says:

        There’s a Japanese best of from a few years back now (the somewhat misnamed Best of Remixes) that has an even longer fade out of the album version of Sowing the Seeds of Love, which clocks in at 6’45” :)

    • Martyn Bardwell says:

      Have the going to California show as a fully audio cd

  23. Mike says:

    What material bar the cd single b sides and the edit of Year Of The Knife would be on a reissue of the Seeds of Love?

  24. Dean says:

    Is this topic stuck at the top of the page? I keep checking for updates and this one seems to be glued on the screen. –lol–

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Hey Dean… there is so much interest in this, I decided to make the post ‘sticky’ for a while, which does indeed keep it at the top! New posts tuck in underneath! P

  25. Rob Kirby says:

    Just saw the wonderful news about this Deluxe Edition in the new Classic Pop magazine! Great work, Paul. This is something I’ve been hoping for ever since the deluxe Songs… double disc reissue, although it’s a shame that a couple of the UK 12″ standard remixes couldn’t have been accommodated on that second remastering. Licks lips. Looking forward to it already – easily the reissue highlight of the year!

    Slightly off-topic, but I notice there’s no mention of Visage in the ‘tags’ section to the right. How many more budget Spectrum CDs (the lastest this past month or so) and greatest hits, all with the wrong versions of tracks and generally little re-mastering, do we have to suffer until their three albums get the same, diligent treatment given to other Universal acts like TFF.

    With the 35th anniversary of their debut album coming up in 2015, it would be a perfect time to sort this out, especially with all the material yet to surface on CD (the 7″ cut of We Move, If You Want Me to Stay – the song they performed with Ronny, the beautiful Visage 7″ b-side Second Steps…). After all, Visage were one of THE bands to kick-start the electropop that dominated the early 80s charts, and yet they have still to receive any remastered editions after all these years of such CD delights.

    Okay, I’m biased, I admit it! Besides the Visage album being the first album I ever bought (on cassette), these days I publish an Ultravox and related artists magazine (re:VOX), so we’ve certainly covered the band in depth.

    I can’t be the only one thinking the same thing :-)

  26. william says:

    Hooray finally the record companies are paying attention to the fans. Your involvement Paul is the best news i’ve heard in months. Any news of a Seeds of love deluxe edition??

  27. Dan L. says:

    One of the greatest albums ever made, this deluxe edition is long overdue – I was hoping for a 12″ single box (on CDs) reissued but this will do just fine since just about everything after this era is available somehow on CD. The Rockpalast show is great – the live show here is notorious for the ‘overproduction’ and use of cheesy effects that hampered enjoyment of what was a GREAT performance. All those alternate versions that I’ve had on various formats for years will finally be available. THANKS for your involvement in making this the great package it deserves to be.

    • Dan L. says:

      PS: Only way this could be better would be with a high resolution release. All the albums might benefit from that. I believe The Hurting was digitally recorded so I’d think being from that era I don’t think they could do much better than redbook audio CD quality. But I can dream. Mobile Fidelity released SFTBC and Seeds of Love on their high quality vinyl – would be nice if they issued vinyl of the Hurting as well.

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  29. Justin says:

    I’ve got nothing to add, I just didn’t want to be the only one not to post something on this thread.

  30. Steve says:

    Looks like an excellent boxset for the material. Would have liked them to include the videos on the DVD but whatever. The only problem is that Peter Mew is doing the mastering, which if it is like anything he has done in the past I would not hold your breath for this sounding any good. Hold on you your German Atomic pressing.

  31. Michel says:

    Fantastic re-issue…ordered; I was listening to that album the other day, probably their best!!
    Do we know what’s on the bonus 7”?

    • Mike Spencer says:

      It’ll most likely be Change (Radio Edit) and The Conflict, since it is a repressing of the original 7″ with the withdrawn sleeve.

  32. Piman says:

    Wow, is this the longest comment tread at SDE ever?
    I’ll probably buy the 4CD set to get the DVD concert. I remember seeing it 28 years ago on a borrowed VDO tape.
    Paul, could you please give a pre-review regarding the audio quality. What I’m most concern is the quality of new remaster. I hope it won’t be earbleeding and harsh.

  33. Chris M says:

    This re-issue does seem amazing, this is how bands should be doing them. A lot of effort has gone into this, so congrats for that. I will be getting the deluxe one. But, I do have to agree, ‘The way we were’, certainly fits more into this album project, rather than ‘Songs from a big chair’. It almost sounds like it from the same sessions as ‘The hurting’. That is a shame I think, as it was the first thing I noticed should be there, that isn’t. Silly decision by the band. Great stuff, 5 stars.

  34. JO says:

    No No No No No No and No…. :-)
    Clearly I must be one of the few people that actually loves ‘The Way You Are”…

    And actually having listened to Saxophones as Opiates (via a quick Internet search) I can sort of understand why they chose not to include it – it’s pretty pointless and the sax sounds almost discordant in places. The whole thing sounds like a hastily pulled together piece because they needed a b-side…

  35. Mike says:

    It would be interesting to know the reasons for the omission, but what could be worse musically in their repertoire than Wino?!

  36. Marko says:

    ‘The Way You Are’ belong to the SFTBC deluxe editions. That is the first song that Roland writes after ‘The Hurting’ album. He said that in ‘Scenes From The Big Chair’ documentary. Second song he writes is ‘Mother’s Talk’. There is only hope that in the future we will see Deluxe editions of SFTBC & TSOL. Probably there will be no deluxe editions of SFTBC, beacuse documetary ‘Scenes From The Big Chair’ & Deluxe Editions in 2006 preety much covers almost everything. Maybe will see the re-release of that deluxe editions, perhaps in 2015. INXS do the same thing with ‘Kick’ album. Deluxe edition in 2002 and again in 2012.

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Glad someone agrees with the apparently ‘controversial’ decision to not put The Way You Are on this! At the end of the day, The Hurting was done and dusted and “The Way You Are” was the band starting to record new material for their next project. It may have been a false start of sorts, but it was still the start of the NEXT project. Curt and Roland approved the track listing for this Hurting reissue and neither of them challenged the exclusion of The Way You Are.

  37. Mic M says:

    Neil, there was a video for ‘The Way You Are’ –

    • Neil says:

      I have never seen this video before only the Top Of The Pops footage. I guess they must have thought the video was just as bad as the song as it has never appeared on any of their video releases.

  38. JO says:

    Great stuff Paul. Ordered my copy.

    I happen to love The Way You Are (one of my favourite early TFF tracks) but don’t mind that it was left off the set as it is available elsewhere.
    However I had not even heard of Saxophones as Opiates before reading these comments so I think it’s a shame that it was vetoed from the track listing.
    I would certainly favour an MP3 download as an exclusive for those that by this reissue…

    Still a minor quibble – all in all I’m very excited by this.

    Would love to see a deluxe remaster of Elemental (a sadly overlooked gem imho).

  39. Neil says:

    As regards The Way You Are and the reason for changing direction was the simple fact that they knew the song was rubbish and it only reached number 24 in the charts where their previous 3 singles had all gone top 5. The other argument about it being on that cassette of SFTBC doesn’t hold any water either because The Conflict and Broken were on that as well and they were Hurting b sides. The Way You Are was that bad that they didn’t even bother to make a video for it.

  40. Mike Spencer says:

    I’m really happy about this, it’ll be great to have Wino and all the early single versions of tracks in quality. Superb looking presentation and I look forward to reading the book as well. Tempted to order the one with bonus 7″.

    I get why The Way You Are is considered Songs From The Big Chair period but it sounds and the cover looks like a Hurting era release and fits in better with that. The band also note it as ‘the point where we knew we had to change direction’ thus tying it to that era.

    Saxophones As Opiates always felt thrown together anyway, but it’s as shame it’s being left off, only because there’s otherwise been great effort to make this definitive.

    Still, those are minor things, I am very impressed that an album like this gets treatment like this these days.

  41. Lynna says:

    This looks amazing. Great job.

  42. Stephen says:

    I am *likely* to buy this just because I would support any double-disc (or more) effort of Tears for Fears. Their music commands my respect.

    I am *certain* to buy this just because they are adding a DVD to the other content.

    And *Thank God!* they are finally releasing Wino on CD. I don’t care if it is the worst song ever (I happen to like it). It’s an integral part of their history, and you can’t tell their story properly without it! (Actually, I think they consider The Way You Are as their worst song. I like that one, too, and also its video.)

    And finally, thank you for all of Disc 3. This release is doing it right! Hopefully, we’ll get Live from Massey Hall on a 2015 SFTBC bonus disc.

  43. scrash says:

    Loving your work. A fantastic box set, lovingly approached! A question. Is the rest of the Oxford Apollo show going to surface? Or was it a case of local radio can only afford to tape two songs? A desk taping by the band? Help! ia

  44. Stephen says:

    Given how sometimes reissue track lists look fine, but then the record company pulls the wrong mix or a mix is mislabelled, or the mastering is off… (um, FGTH, Aztec Camera, Thompson Twins, Duran Duran…), I sure hope they give you an advance CD for you to verify before they ship these out. I love and respect Tears For Fears and their ability to give their personal lives the attention they need. I would love for this release to go off without a hitch! And… maybe you could persuade Saxophones to be an mp3 release, ala the download-only bonus tracks of recent years from A-Ha, Duran Duran, Arcadia, and Thomas Dolby! Or, after the official release, mp3 EP’s of each single could be released, whereby that track would see the light? Or they can save it as an exclusive for their own website… not that TFF has been very active with their website in the last decade. Curt was pretty good about his… maybe he would be willing to put it on Soundcloud if nowhere else. He does like Soundcloud!

    • SimonP says:

      Howard Jones is a good example. At least some of the other releases were corrected, but his 3 disc box set of 12″ versions is still the same after 2 years!

    • Justin Campbell says:

      Do you have more details of where I can find the Duran Duran and Arcadia downloads as I own both collections (including the girls on film error)?

  45. Stephen says:

    What is known about the World Remix of Mad World? I know it is slightly longer, and it has a little more reverb. It isn’t so much a remix as it is a new single mix with the production reworked on it. Appropriately, the ‘World Remix’ was used in other countries, however, it wasn’t used as the 7″ mix in the UK (except as the b-side to the double 7″, which even my remix-hungry ears would have thought was a rip-off, as it sounds nearly identical to the a-side mix). Was this prepared as the UK 7″ a-side, and simply not ready in time? Did the UK release the wrong mix for the single by mistake?

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      I don’t really know the history of that mix, but you’re right it’s not really that different to the UK 7″. There was never a ‘proper’ remix of Mad World in the end…

  46. Hedley says:

    Paul, nothing but congratulations from the great State of Michigan. Very best with the release

  47. Mike says:

    Yes, leaving off the way you are seems odd given the space left on disc 3 and its definitely not a songs from the big chair track. That song is what stopped the next sessions and then forced the band into a rethink of direction. Looks great though, hoping the 4 cd set comes down when amazon list.

  48. Neil says:

    The Way You Are belongs on The Hurting as both were released in 1983 and has nothing to do with SFTBC which was two years later. So i feel the extended version should have been on this box set regardless of whether it was on the 99 remaster or not. I don’t know their reasoning for not allowing Saxophones As Opiates to be on this but i would have much rather have had this on here than that rubbish Wino.

  49. Carol says:

    Finally managed to order my copy. Hope I was in time for the free 7″.

  50. Juan says:

    Absokutely amazing and a long time coming! I’m 100% in agreement with Steve Marine above and congratulations Paul on your contribution to the project.
    Though the sound quality/mastering will speak for themselves, seeing the care and meticulous work that have gone into this deluxe edition I have no doubt it will be top notch.
    Paul just to be 100% crystal clear, both the single and extended versions of ‘Pale Shelter (You Don’t Give Me Love)’ from 1982 and produced by Mike Howlett are included on this reissue, is that correct?

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Hi Juan. Thank you! And YES both the early versions of Pale Shelter are there! cheers, P

      • Ron says:

        Actually, aren’t there 3 diff versions of the early Pale Shelter recording? The first 3:57-ish recording, the extended one (6:25-ish) and a re-issue which feats a 4:28 version.
        And then there is ofcourse the one that charted and can be found on the album.
        So which of these three will be on the bonus disc?

  51. fred says:

    Ordered !!! Can’t wait to october ..
    I want “Seeds of Love” too

  52. Gazelle says:

    From what I can see, this is quite simply an object lesson in how to put together an expanded re-issue, from track -listing to packaging.

    Just a shame that the band objected to ‘Saxophones As Opiates’ being included, but I guess that is their prerogative.

  53. Kiki says:

    and please give us an expanded edition of the fantastic “seeds of love” with the whole 7” mixes, instrumentals, and obviously the very hard to find single remix of “year of the knife” !!!

  54. Kiki says:

    Wow! The work is awesome!
    Can someone tell me how to order this ltd box from France, as universal (as usual) sucks and don’t want to sell music here ?

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  56. Tim says:


    I believe there was a 1983 Rockpalast concert from German TV or German radio that played the album in its entirety. This would be a great SuperDeluxeEdition Facebook fan bonus!

  57. Joe says:

    What format (Region) is the DVD?

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  59. Chris Gerard says:

    Congrats Paul, and excellent job!! It’s exciting that a band actually took the time to do something thorough rather than the same old stuff. This is a landmark album and deserves a set like this. Great job! Can’t wait to purchase it.

  60. Francis says:

    I notice the extended 12inch version of “The Way You Are” has not been included so I will not be buying this 4 Disc deluxe set, nice though it is, as I have this particular version on CD already and although it was included on the American Deluxe of “Songs From The Big Chair” it was only the 7inch version. Excluding the extended 12inch version of “The Way You Are” has totally spoilt this reissue for me!!!

    • Justin Campbell says:

      the way you are 12″ version is on the 1999 cd reissue of the hurting…

      • Francis says:

        If the 12inch extended version of “The Way You Are” was on the 1999 CD reissue of “The Hurting”, I would have liked to have it included on this 4 disc deluxe reissue. Still a big let down for me!

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      @Francis: “The Way You Are” was included on the “Songs From The Big Chair” deluxe in 2005. The B-side was also on a limited “Songs From The Big Chair” cassette back in 1985/6. So *IF* Universal ever decide to do another “Songs From The Big Chair” deluxe, “The Way You Are” will probably end up on that.

  61. Alexandre says:

    I wonder if “In My Mind’s Eye” would be exactly the same as the original version or if it will be a new edition of the show in Hammersmith without those weird special effects …

  62. fisonic says:

    Fantastic selection of tracks – great work, Paul! Really looking forward to this.

  63. Justin Campbell says:

    Pale Shelter seems to be longer on the 1999 reissue (track 11)- clocking in at around 7’09” instead of the 6’52” found on the later 12″s. Is this a different mix or just a longer fadeout? Sorry for the geeky question but it is fresh in my mind as I’ve just bought all of the Pale Shelter 12″ variants.

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Hey Justin – on the universal site the names of the tracks are a little confusing and the timings aren’t accurate. On the new deluxe edition the original 12″ of Pale Shelter is approx 7.09. It is the same mix as the original but it does indeed appear to have about 30 seconds of extra fadeout. Confusingly the remake 12″ is a very similar time, clocking in at just over 7 minutes. I think the 1999 hurting deluxe was the same length. Hope that helps.

      • Justin Campbell says:

        Hi Paul- I think it is the remake 12″ on the 1999 edition, so I assume that it is 17 seconds of extra fadeout and that it will also appear on the 2013 edition. The original remix is around 6’30” on the 12″ I own so it is great to hear that we’ll be getting an extra 30 seconds on the 2013 edition (o:

  64. Rob says:

    Hi Paul
    Many many thanks for organising this. Your involvement means that this will actually be a quality release and not a rush job by the record label. Is the 1999 remaster being used for the first CD?

    Another bonus would have been the BBC In Concert show however I think EMI have the rights to the concert stuff. Maybe a digital download for the future?
    SFTBC already has a good deluxe edition so this will be a nice counterpart. For those wishing to complete their DVD collection I would advise buying Scenes From The Big Chair DVD as this also has a 1990 live show from California.

    I think Roland is too proud to release any demos.

    I doubt you will see a Seeds Of Love Deluxe Edition as the band quite rightly feel the album was not as strong as the first two.

    Raoul has a good deluxe edition with liner notes and b sides.

    Still no reissue or remaster of Elemental.

    Looking forward to the new album!

  65. Justin Campbell says:

    great work Paul- I’ve been looking out for news like this for ages! I’ve also been steadily acquiring all of the early TFF 7″ and 12″‘s and it will be great to hear them in remastered form. Do you know if all of the tracks have been remastered from the original master tapes (i.e. not vinyl rips?)

  66. Andrew Woolford says:

    This is the best news ever as this goes down as my favourite album of all time. I will be ordering the box set straight away. Is there any chance the guys could sign the limited 500? Also have the guys ever mentioned demos? Lastly will they be touring the album in England?

  67. JPD says:

    Paul you have done a fantastic job with this reissue. Many thanks! Ordered my copy. Have In My Minds Eye on VHS and soon on DVD. Cannot wait! This is how a deluxe reissue is done. Would love to see some Thompson Twins deluxe reissues in the same way.

  68. Stuart (@Livistu222) says:

    wow what a deluxe box set indeed. I have pre-ordered my copy. Best band ever in my (mind’s) eyes. I have a lot of their stuff already and good to see some of the older stuff going to be available on CD finally, as don’t listen too due to being either on vinyl/tape cassette/VHS. I was singing ‘Wino’ just the other day there :-D

  69. Steve Marine says:

    OMG!!!!!!!!!! I seriously think I’m going to cry right now. TFF is my favorite band EVER. This is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!!!!!!! I’m so glad you’re involved!
    I’m a little confused as to why the band doesn’t want “Saxophones…” included, but at least we finally get “Wino!” I hope this is just the first of their entire catalog to get the deluxe treatment!!!!!! YAY!!!
    PS: Will this have a US release?

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Haha Thought you’d like this one, Steve! Yes, the box will be available in the US – should be on amazon reasonably soon, I think, but that 7″ vinyl is exclusive to the Universal box set store.

  70. Chris says:

    Any chance of high definition / studio master (i.e 24bit) versions of the tracks being made available – e.g via a download code etc etc

  71. Jos says:

    Congratulations Paul!!! The best Boxset release of 2013!! Finally “Wino” on CD, wow!! I had the videotape with the concert, but I don’t have a videoplayer anymore, so the DVD is more than welcome. Great job!!!

  72. omar says:

    I’m quite content with the 2cd version.

  73. pinkfloyd says:

    Lanny Justice,
    SO agree with you on lesson to do a REAL reissue!
    Shame about the promos as well as missing TOTP.

    wel done! BEST reissue news all year! can’t wait!
    now, can we get BIG CHAIR & SEEDS deluxe box as well by 2014 before we all get old…

  74. Lanny Justice says:

    Wow! I just peed a little. This looks delicious!! I wish they had put the promo videos from The Hurting on the dvd also. Someone should forward this release to Peter Gabriel in a lesson on how to do a REAL reissue.

  75. SimonP says:

    Great looking set. Have placed an order already!

  76. Rob says:

    This looks awesome. With the other reissues coming this fall from King Crimson and Mike Oldfield I’m going to be broke! This is just about as complete as any box set could be. An excellent effort from all involved. The only thing I’ll whine about is the lack of a 5.1 mix. It boggles my mind that none of TFF’s albums have been mixed for surround sound. There music has so many layers to it that they seem like a natural candidate for it.

    Oh, and for those who don’t know, Curt just released a new solo album which has some great stuff on it.

  77. Tim says:

    It’s a great record, and this is long overdue. Looking very forward to this!

  78. Nuno Bento says:

    One more thing: my only (big) bummer about this set is the absence of “Saxophones As Opiates”, which was a “Mad World” B-Side. Check if there is still time for putting it in!
    And while you’re at it, as somebody already asked, please lobby for a Seeds Deluxe Box (my god, the out-takes disc of that set should be AMAZING).

    • adam carrington says:

      the band had track listing approval, and they requested that “Saxophones As Opiates” NOT be included.

  79. Nuno Bento says:

    Paul, I hope you know you are a legend and I thank you wholeheartedly for your job with the creation of this Deluxe Edition of “The Hurting”. THis will be for me the greatest release of the year and I could not be more happy about it.
    (Actually I could, they could have added a few more things, like I projected on my blog – click the link in my name – but that’s irrelevant now :) )
    Thank you, really!

    I hope to see your involvement in future deluxe editions!

    BTW, my last post in the blog concerned a SuperDeluxe Edition of the Wham! catalogue. :)

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Thanks Nuno. This reissue was compiled by me and Steve Hammonds (who does a lot of work for Universal). Steve is managing the whole project and therefore is doing most of the hard work!

  80. Great work Paul.
    It realy helps that someone who cares about this stuff is getting involved with these reissues. The Paul Young one was great. Maybe you could encourage INXS to start doing some decent deluxe editions instead of punting the same old hits records out!
    Thanks, Gareth.

  81. Ray judson says:

    Great news Paul! this is one of my favorite albums of all time and the mastering on the last reissue left a lot to be desired! Great job on putting together a release that should make all fans happy!! awesome!

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Thanks Ray – The Hurting is also up there for me, so a great privilege to have been involved with this reissue.

  82. Todd R. says:

    WAY TO GO PAUL!!!!!!!
    This is tremendous! I can’t wait to hear all these tracks together (having pulled them from so many sources in the past – this is a thrill). I may even pre-order thru the UK. Is there a USA release planned for the editions?

    PS – gee no one mentioned Paul Young’s attempt at a cover of “Pale Shelter”? Come on people!!!

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Thanks Todd! The box will be available on soon, but not with the 7″ single. I’m told the box is ‘limited’ but don’t know what the production run is. cheers, Paul

      • Todd R. says:

        Good to know. I’m on the fence about the 7″ single, as I just will never play it really – so perhaps I’ll wait (sorry – but the honest truth).

        As for a SEEDS OF LOVE reissue I’ve seen mentioned here – that’s a very exciting idea. Perhaps include a legitimate edition of “GOING TO CALIFORNIA” (it was on some editions of the SCENES FROM THE BIG CHAIR dvd). All the versions of “Johnny Panic And The Bible Of Dreams”… I still have the box-sets of the single releases, and the b-sides, instrumentals etc. I’m not a big fan of the remastering in 99, some of the mix seemed to get muddy on that . What I’d really love to see is the famed “book” of SEEDS OF LOVE (not the tourbook, but rather a stand-alone product) that included the whole story of the album etc. That would be great to see in print as they did for THE HURTING.

        Finally – what about INXS LISTEN LIKE THEVES for a box set edition – way way way overdue. “B-sides assemble!”

  83. Don says:

    Just noticed that “The Way You Are (Extended)” isn’t on the bonus disc. It was on the 1999 reissue, so no big deal. It’s much better to have rare tracks like “Wino” on there!

    The box itself looks similar to the boxes that U2’s Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire sets came in…

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      “The Way You Are” was included with the 2005 deluxe edition of “Songs From The Big Chair”. Also the B-side to that single “The Marauders” was on the limited edition cassette of “Songs From The Big Chair” back in the day. Therefore that track has a strong association with album (rightly or wrongly). However, the two Hurting live tracks that were issued on the 7″ double-pack (one was on the 12″) made more sense on THIS reissue.

      • Francis says:

        The Deluxe Edition of “Songs From The Big Chair” only featured the 7inch version of “The Way You Are” but not the much better extended 12inch version, hence this 4 Disc set is totally spoilt for me and as I have the track on CD already I will not be buying this set, however good it is!

  84. Adam says:

    I didn’t see anything about the region coding on the DVD. Will it be region-free, perhaps?

  85. Dave Van Musicmaster says:

    track 16 on disc 2 is shown as a ‘Promo CD Version” here, but as a demo on the Universal Music website – which is correct?
    I have an old promo cd called “5 Tracks from ‘The Hurting'” which has the following tracks – 1. Pale Shelter (Original 7′ Version)(4:38), 2.Change (Album Version)(4:14), 3. Suffer The Children (Original 7’ Version)(4:04), 4. The Hurting(4:15), 5. Mad World(3:31).
    this came out in the late 80s when the album was reissued on CD.
    tracks 1 and 3 did not actually appear on the commercial CD of the album much to everyone’s disappointment – until later this year, this is the only legitimate way of getting these two tracks on CD.
    I also have the original cassette release with the Change Remix, please the 1984/5 reissue of the vinyl album with gold blocked sleeve, plus a german copy with the different sleeve, and a least 2 copies on cd :)
    So glad to see this great album getting a serious reissue with the missing tracks included – also got everything on 7 and 12″ singles :)
    £32.99 does seem a bit extortionate though – it’s about DOUBLE what a fair price should be … so will have to think twice about ordering it

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Hi Dave – the ‘Promo CD version’ is the version found on the ‘Five Tracks From The Hurting’ CD. It’s not the 7″ version though, it has a longer intro. In the past this has been referred to as a ‘demo’ version but whether it’s actually a demo is debatable. For me it’s just an alternate mix of the 7″. It’s unique to this 1999 CD, until now. Pale Shelter from that CD is just the album version (ie the remake) it’s not the original 7″ version because that has never been on CD until now! cheers, Paul

  86. Will says:

    Absolutely fantastic news!
    Really looking forward to hear the remastering.

  87. PAC says:

    Yes, Congratulations Paul !

    And everyone’s beaten me to it. Songs From The Big Chair is one of the first LPs I ever heard.. loved.

    Will you be making this happen too ??

  88. Hans says:

    This is how it should be done. Great box.

  89. Ken says:

    Very exciting! And the price feels good, too. I’m guessing Disc 2 Track 2 is the 7″ version?

  90. Marc says:

    Paul, any news on similar releases for ‘Songs from the Big Chair’ or ‘The Seeds of Love’?

  91. Joseph says:

    Incredible! Cannot wait. (Why, though, is the project just ONE track shy of all of the b-sides – “Saxophones As Opiates?” Forego the edit of Change if you must!)

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Waiting for someone to ask about that one. The reason is simply because the band had track listing approval, and they requested that “Saxophones As Opiates” NOT be included. Not really sure why, but that’s the reason. It didn’t get forgotten about!

  92. Don says:

    This looks fantastic. CONGRATULATIONS on your heavy involvement with this project! That’s a welcome surprise.

    And since you have the inside track, can you please lobby for a Seeds of Love Deluxe Edition? :)

  93. Carty says:

    This is fantastic news, and well done Paul for your involvement.

    • Paul Sinclair says:

      Thanks! Can’t wait to see the finished product too :)

      • Miguelon says:

        Gracias Paul, tremendas versiones, uno de los mejores grupos de la historia de la música, semejante banda, Curt y Ronald, los mejores vocalistas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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